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Post by HH Lindsey on Jan 1, 2014 5:45:39 GMT
Great News and opportunity for us!
A previous Hidden Hurt visitor and contributor is now a Police Officer in the UK and is keen to write an article or two on the role or perception of the police when confronted with Domestic Violence situations.
Therefore, it would be very helpful if we could think up some questions or scenarios for her to write about, the pass these on to her, to ensure that the articles she writes for Hidden Hurt are as topical and helpful as possible.
So here you go, if you have ever wanted to ask the police about what they can or cannot do to help, or what their initial thought is when called to a 'domestic' this is our opportunity!
Just pop your questions down in this thread ans I will pass them on to her.
Remember though, no details, names, places can be named, just general questions and issues.
Emma (the WPC) was previously one of our survivors and this is her story: Emma's Story
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Post by HH Lindsey on Jan 5, 2014 23:36:16 GMT
Since there are not too many suggestions yet, I though I might start the ball rolling.
1. When the police are requested to attend a 'domestic', what is legal options to do they have to deal with the situation? 2. If it is not clear who the main aggressor is, what do they do? 3. What can the police do or advice is we are still living with or in close proximity to our abuser to help protect us, eg emergency phones, additional security, webcams, a number to log all complaints , etc 4, Who presses charges now, do we, the victims still have to do it, or are charges brought by the police? 5. What function does the PCS have and how likely is a charge to be dropped, cautioned or go to court? 6. Will we be kept in touch during he whole time or are we just left dangling to find out what happens. 7. What if we don't want to press charges or withdraw charges, will this lessen the possibility of conviction? 8. What protection can be put in place AFTER the release from prison?
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Post by walkingthroughtreacl on Jan 6, 2014 13:55:24 GMT
As this happened over three years ago it may well be that the law has changed since. But what happened was that my ex was evenutally - after stalking me/texting me/parking outside my house etc., - charged with harassment which I was told was the most they could charge him with (prior to this he had been arrested and thrown into the local police cells in order to keep him away from me, and he was on bail for weeks while the police compiled and sent a case to the CPS about his very high level of abuse towards me, although the case unfortunately was thrown out due to lack of evidence). At the end of the 12 months when the harassment charge had expired, my ex started again with the stalking etc. However, the police told me that despite his previous conviction of harassment, a whole new case would need to be started by the police and that he would have to harass me many times before they would be able to even consider sending another case to the CPS. I was stunned to be told that I would have to tolerate potentially weeks and months of attempts by him to contact/see me. Is it is still the same, ie. the fact that his previous behaviour towards me wouldn't be taken into account if he re-offended?
Thank you.
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Post by Janine 1984 on Jan 6, 2014 15:15:47 GMT
Id actually like to know how police supports the victim on the way to court, in court and on the way out.
I went to court in Australia and I was supposed to wait in the same main "mega" waiting hall, WITH my Ex. I mean thats just ridiculous nobody informed me beforehand that there is one big waiting area and Id walk right into him. Then after I asked, i was able to wait in a special waiting room for domestic violence victims. When the court was ready I was called in but collapsed from stress when the door opened.
The judge let me stay in the DV room and read out my statement I had given to police previously- it was enough in that case. Iam thankful I did not have to go through the courtroom- sitting so close to my Ex.
But....isnt there a way to inform victims beforehand? To give them the right to NOT sit in a court room if it speaks against all instincts?
Is there weapon screening in the UK? In Australia they did not search my ex for weapons and there were no metal detectors in the courthouse entrance. That seemed so ridiculous to me and I didnt feel safe.
Also, when walking out we had to go through the main waiting hall again- where he was sitting yet again to wait to be called in for sentencing.
....of course i freaked out when I wanted to walk out and I see him sitting right by the door that lead to the DV room (of course he did it on purpose....) and i had to find an office to walk me out of there. Is that somewhat better organized in the UK?
Its as if the victims need to educate the system sometimes- at cost of their own safety.
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Post by maxi on Jan 12, 2014 23:18:10 GMT
Does your heart sink when called to a domestic ?
Do you wonder if the paper work is worth it, ?
Are you angry if you suspect the abused will stay with or return to their abuser?
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Post by HH Lindsey on Jan 13, 2014 23:36:44 GMT
All good questions - keep them coming!
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Post by Mo on Jan 24, 2014 23:50:34 GMT
My husband tells me that if I ever call the police regarding his behaviour, he will tell them I threatened him with a knife, and I would be arrested - is that true?
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Post by w on Jan 24, 2014 23:54:59 GMT
1) are queer/homosexual abuse cases taken as seriously as heterosexual ones? 2) if a case does go to court, does the victim have to see the abuser or can they be interviewed separately? 3) if there is evidence of abuse more than 6 months prior to any charge being filed, is it still worth giving as evidence? (sorry if these questions are too late)
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Post by HH Lindsey on Jan 25, 2014 21:32:29 GMT
Not too late for the questions, as the police officer has not yet started writing anything. I will ask her to pop on to the forum and have a look at the questions above sometime soon, so that she can include that sort of information in her writings. Thanks all of you for participating and thinking up relevant questions.
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Post by Pom on Feb 9, 2014 8:47:47 GMT
Every time the police came, they would separate and the officer talking to him would be told I was mentally unstable, he would show them MY counselling report that unknown to me, he had stolen from my files. The report refers to high anxiety and depression scores typical for abuse victims. They would believe him, saying there are two sides to every story, and on two occasions, I was told that I was wasting their time, even though he had just thrown a boiling steam cleaner at me.
I had to call them out 7 times, and each time repeat explaining the situation as although I had a marked telephone number, the officers had no access to the history. It was only on the seventh call out, when again he had persuaded them that I was mentally unstable, and they had reneged on their promise to remove him, that I asked to speak to their superior, told them that I was a professional and my friend who had witnessed the last two incidents, had 17 years experience working in mental health, that they actually believed me and took him away. A judge gave me an emergency non-molestation order the following day.
Only a few of the officers had ever heard of Asperger's Syndrome, and none of them knew the term "gaslighting"
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Post by James on Mar 8, 2014 21:13:48 GMT
So recently I've noticed that Claire's Law is now nationwide. I have gone through almost a year of suffering in the aftermath of a serious sexual assault from my ex partner. The criminal investigation never went to court, unfortunately (though still fighting for justice). Now the investigation has ended, would I be able to ring the police officer in charge of the case and request information om my partners history of any possible domestic violence? My ex told me she was abused herself but I'm not entirely sure this was the case as she has now become the abuser. Not just psychologically and emotionally, but sexually too. Seems as I lost justice, I would like to know if there was any history or possible domestic disturbance call outs that involved my ex partner as she claims she was abused periodically with her ex boyfriend.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 19:40:34 GMT
I would like to also ask some questions, hope I'm not too late for that?
I have a stalker that's been stalking me for 11 years. Police have been involved about 15 times - nothing ever got done about him as each time I called them - often with plenty of evidence - he would claim it was me that had allegedly harassed him. Since he is an old man of nearly 80, he would make it out that I was this crazy young foreign woman and he was the poor old victim that couldn't defend himself. Police fell for it each time and actually slapped ME with harassment warnings etc. Since he then felt he could do what he wanted, he murdered my cat in 2009, then smashed my classic car up, called my boss and claimed I was a "dangerous schizophrenic and shouldn't be in that job" - anything to destroy my life.
I also always felt that police officers were prejudiced by the fact that I live in social housing, whereas he is wealthy. They automatically assumed that I must be the troublemaker!
I had police officers accusing ME of causing all the problems, of harassing him, I was even threatened that if there was any more trouble then it would be me that would go to jail. Officers even claimed in their records about me that I was allegedly a liar, and that my stalker was the innocent party and "very cooperative" - whereas, when I was once crying in the police station, it was claimed in the records that I was allegedly "very irate and aggressive"!
I think there is a difference between crying and being aggressive!
I have seen these records so know that these things have really been claimed about me. I am also very upset that I have been made out to be the liar!
Last year my stalker tried to kill me by way of smashing a brick against my car as I was driving - he had tried to smash it through the windshield and hit me on the head and thereby kill me, but he missed and smashed it against the car, resulting in collossal damage. The car mechanic who repaired it confirmed that this sort of damage could only have been done by a brick being thrown on purpose with considerable force.
Again I told police, but was told there was no proof that this was him.
I would love to know why officers are so prejudiced on the account that I live in social housing and automatically assume that I must be the troublemaker, why they refuse to act against this person, and how much more he has to do - and for how much longer - before something gets done about it?
With regards to my abusive husband, he has been removed from my property by police, and this time the officers were not prejudiced - but then, my husband is not a wealthy Englishman - and he has made counterclaims, saying that I had allegedly abused him physically and emotionally, so I am now again in fear of getting a warning or arrested for a crime I have not committed. I have not heard anything yet so maybe police have seen through his lies, but given all that I have experienced with my stalker I just wonder - don't police officers know that abusers will often make counter claims and claim it was the victim who did all the abusing?
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Post by julie69 on Apr 23, 2014 13:51:37 GMT
Question for the police officer: have you heard of coercive control, and is it recognized as an offence under English law? What sort of evidence would be sufficient to secure a conviction? I have an on/off diary of events dating back to about 2008. It is the pattern and frequency of mostly verbal incidents that amounts to abuse, although he has never physically injured me. What would the police position be on this?
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Post by Lifegoeson on Apr 30, 2014 22:46:18 GMT
1. My ex informed me that the police said they were sorry they had to arrest him and apparently commented to my ex that they had never seen a desk Sargent release someone so quickly. Do police ever act this way in a domestic incident? The guys who came to see me were lovely so I find it very distressing that this may be the case and so don't want to believe it
2. I was in a very distressed state when the police came round and did not want my ex to be arrested so did not give a formal statement. In hindsight I realise I should have done this but I am sure many other women do not give a formal statement either. Is it not possible for the police to press charges even if the victim won't?
3. Why does the tough line on domestic abuse stop when the victim leaves? Why is there not after support from the police in all domestic abuse cases rather than just the ones with severe violence?
Not sure these are quite the right type of questions but thought I'd ask anyway
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Post by bhav73 on May 17, 2014 11:00:04 GMT
I have been a male victim of abuse, and the system is far tougher on men like me who suffered in silence and his the shame of it. My wife has been cautioned for her behaviour towards me, but yet it continues and although I know speak out to what is and has happened previously I have made to feel ignored, especially by child services, whom are supposed to be observing the effect on the children. Last week our middle child Reyes to push me and our younger son down the stairs. I called the police to calm my daughter down. I wrote to child services with regards to the matter, even recorded the responses from my middle child on video, held by the other two children. They like my other correspondences where ignored. Child services picked up on what happened via a police report, not via anything I said or showed. Am I wrong in thinking that's a sign of a type of conditional / gender bias?
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Post by bhav73 on May 17, 2014 11:02:02 GMT
And I've handed over enough to support the abuse I've suffered, and years she partially admitted to abusing me and the children, yet child services have just sat back and watch in silence.
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Post by scaredgirl on Jun 12, 2014 14:23:09 GMT
If a domestic voilce relaship happened over 2 years ago can you still report it
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Post by dwilliamson on Jul 11, 2014 21:09:50 GMT
Hi Is that fact that my husband smashed up my children's Xbox & squared up to them (but HAND ON HEART never lifted a finger to them!!) enough to warrant a call to Social Services or for police to complete a Child Come to Notice form?? Thanks for your help.
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Post by guest on Aug 11, 2014 17:59:14 GMT
the law as it applys to the differnt parts of the uk
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Post by deedee on Aug 30, 2014 13:05:53 GMT
I came out of an abusive relationship about a year ago but I can't seem to move from on from it, I'm seriously thinking about pressing charges but is it too late? All my friends say I should just leave it be and let it go but I can't. He was arrested numerous times while we were together but I never pressed charges at the time but I still have some evidence that could help.....please help!
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