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Post by butterfly22 on Aug 10, 2014 8:50:24 GMT
I posted a thread a few days back.going through the abuse ive had and how recently i wanted to leave
Im now been sucked back in, and i feel like im just the nasty one like i over react to how he treats me... after a couple pf rough weeks and an attack last week where he grabbed me by the throat n chucked me across the lounge onto the sofa...hes now being affectionate, taking me out shopping and slightly nicer...few bad language towards me but nothing i dont give back...
Im so confused everytime i think im gonna leave things start to go well again...
I feel anxious and paranoid coz i dont know what on earth is right or wrong or of its me?!
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Post by orange on Aug 10, 2014 11:07:18 GMT
Hi butterfly22,
You aren't over reacting. Grabbing you by the throat and chucking you is very serious. It could have done very serious harm, or could have killed you. How are you meant yo react to that?! However, I understand how you're feeling. I'm only in the very early days of having left. I still wonder/feel like I've over reacted. But logically I can see, really I've been under reacting, not realising how serious it was/is. It's like a battle between my emotional side and my logical side. Does that all make sense?
From what I'm learning about abuse etc., he wants you to feel like you're over reacting. Him being affectionate, buying you things etc. is typical. It's called "the honeymoon phase" where after abuse, he will "turn nice" and try to show you "see I can't be that bad, if I'm doing these things for you" But he is that bad.
What is stopping you from leaving? Is it because he becomes "nice" again? There are things you can read, like "cycle of abuse" which shows you how they are abusive, nice, and back around again. It's so hard not to hold onto hope that he may change. That if you do everything right he will accept you and stop. But the chance of him changing is pretty tiny, and it's dangerous to your mental and physical health to stay around and find out. But trust me, I understand.
I encourage you (if it's safe and possible) to do lots of reading on abuse and how the cycle works.
Take care
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Post by alisay on Aug 10, 2014 15:27:15 GMT
Hi Butterfly22,
You are most definitively not overreacting. It is neither normal not acceptable to grab someone by the throat and throw them across the room. You have every right to feel threatened because it was very very threatening. He was completely in the wrong.
I know that you feel confused now. Abusers create confusion to better control their victims, like a magic trick. It hides the fact that they are getting what they want. You should think back to before the incident with grabbing and throwing you around and ask yourself: What did he want to obtain by attacking you? Then you should ask yourself if he did actually get whatever it was that he wanted.
If he succeeded in getting his way, then the whole exercise was a success from his point of view. So it is likely that he would do it again and again.
I agree with Orange. You should try to do as much reading as you can on abuse. And try to keep safe.
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Post by butterfly22 on Aug 10, 2014 20:07:10 GMT
We had a huuggee arguement earlier which didnt result in violence
He says he dont wanna hurt me he wants to make this work and that i am abusive too, i call him names and shput when i feel i am being taken for granted yes its true but he gets aggressive and threatening..
Today fpr example he kept calling me to come upstairs and i said no as i was smoking and when i didnt go up he screamed my name came thundering dpwn the stairs raging grabbed my arm n put my cigerette out...he wanted ne to go upstairs because id dropped a toothpaste lid on the floor
And apparently me moaning at him about being on the playstation when he ordered me off the sofa on a sunday morning to go shopping was my fault we argued...
We even discussed mutually splitting up and even offered to take me home to my mums and leave it but when i said ok he came upstairs cryed and said he wants to try one last time
What is this? am i in the wrong am i crazy?!
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Post by orange on Aug 10, 2014 20:48:02 GMT
It's all games. He says he doesn't want to hurt you, then grabs your arm. He wants you to do what you're told and go upstairs when HE says. Because he had to punish you for leaving a toothpaste lid on the floor? Then he says you should split up, but when you agree he begs you not to.
I've had all of that many times in many ways. He done it to me just a little while ago through text - making zero sense and leaving me baffled. Crazymaking. But I'm seeing things more clearly now. If you stick around here and educate yourself on abuse, you will too. It's not easy and I'm still vunerable, but we have to try!
You're not crazy, but he'll make you feel like you are. I feel like I need a straight jacket these days, when he makes any contact/I think back. That's what he will do to you.
Are you thinking anymore about leaving? Maybe going to a shelter?
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Post by butterfly22 on Aug 11, 2014 8:49:49 GMT
Ive been thinking about leaving but i feel i need more tine first, he crys and i feel sorry for him and he acts like he really loves me...
Although when i said maybe we should just have a break away from each other until hes sorted his issues out and he said no way i wont wait for you ill have another vagina (his way of saying new girl) in by the next week...
Says he only says these things coz he knows they will hurt...
I feel i need to speak to more people about this and hear more about the different kinds of abuse other women have been through to thoroughly understand
I feel like if i let him go and he changes for another girl ive missed out on having the perfect bf
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Post by alisay on Aug 11, 2014 12:26:07 GMT
Hi butterfly22,
He himself is telling you that he is an abuser and that he will never change unless forced to.
If he gets a new girlfriend he will treat her just like you, probably even worse because they tend to escalate with every new victim. She, whoever she might be, is an object of pity, not of envy.
You should focus of your health, physical and mental, first, not on comparing or competing with other people. Think of your safety and well-being, which is severely compromised by the abuse that he is choosing to inflict on you.
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Post by orange on Aug 11, 2014 12:59:51 GMT
I understand. I've worried about that too. That he might treat his next girlfriend like gold. But everyone on here says they will do the same thing to any girlfriend they get. And it makes more sense logically.
He will make you feel sorry for him. But is he caring about you? It's all about him and how terrible he apparently feels. You're not being mean or selfish if you leave. But it's ok to need more time. It's so hard to make that step. No preassure here.
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Post by janine on Aug 11, 2014 13:18:37 GMT
Hey you,
I can understand that thought very well. I too used to think "Oh man, WHAT IF I left right when he did change and she is now having the perfect partner???"
Abusers use tactics NONSTOP. This means even the 'nice' periods are planned, applied carefully and have only one purpose- to make you stay, to make you put up with the abuse. The fact he calls potentially new girls 'vaginas'.....does that sound like a caring, normal, GREAT man to you? In fact I have to say that if you read "Why does he do that" - or "Jerk Radar' THIS is a huge red flag.
Listen to what abusers say. Maybe even read the book "The gift of fear" by Gavin De Becker. It explains very well how we women NEED to start listening.
We hear horrible things like threats or insulting language towards all women in general ('vagina' is a clear example)-- yet...we STILL think somehow 'he doesn't mean it, he will change, i will miss out on something great"
The only thing you are really missing out on is a safe life, where your partner is not grabbing your throat and shoves you around. I would not be one bit surprised if once you date a normal, healthy man, you too would NOT insult him or be mean either. Abusers are crazy-making. They push you into a corner and kick you, then if you defend yourself (mind you they are often 2843756 times physically stronger than their women) they show you how YOU yourself are abusive too.
Anything that distracts you from seeing who he really is- is worth a try for him.
Anything that confuses you, makes you question your own thoughts and feelings.
Reach out to free counseling- we can help you find a place. Read the books and articles- surround yourself with people who make you feel good and who treat you with respect. Invest in your career, mental health, safety and peace. Go no contact and cut him out and anyone else who supports him. It is like withdrawal therapy from a dangerous drug.
It is not a coincidence that in average a reported three women die in most developed countries from domestic violence. All it takes is that one time he does not stop at 'just' choking or shoving or leaving bruises.
But I think deep down you intellectually KNOW all this. It is just very, very difficult to FEEL it when you are traumatized and still in contact with the abuser. It is literally very similar to taking cocaine - the brain changes chemicals due to the traumatic situation and you bond with him- no matter what he says. The only way to break that is to step off that stage he created, take a break and give yourself time to breathe and be yourself again.
"Invisible Heroes" is also a wonderful resource you can read if you are interested in why you still wonder if it is wise to set yourself free.
And to answer the question that haunted me the most back when I left- No. He never ever changes. He WILL abuse the next girlfriend just like alisay described. She will walk right into that trap just like you did- hoping to have met a charming , nice man.
One thing my therapist once told me when I was literally obsessing about my Ex- or any unhealthy partner really- was....
Do NOT focus on him, how he feels, what he does, why he does it..... Focus on YOU. How does it make YOU feel?
If it does not feel good and is detrimental to your health, why are you still doing it? I kept asking myself that question. It out me kind of back into the driver's seat of my life too, I stopped being the victim - always waiting for HIM, focusing on HIM, trying to figure HIM out, trying to fix HIM.....
Once it was about me....how I felt, what I dreamed of, what I wanted out of life and love....it was much easier to walk away and stay away.
I did actually also end up contacting two women my Ex dated after me, and one right before me.
EVERY single one of them reported abuse. One even ended up marrying him. He had talked her into it to stay in her country on a visa. That was years ago. I no longer need to 'research' and focus on what he does- it was enough to know I was not going crazy. He was.
Hang in there. We are always here. Focus on yourself, maybe share a bit the things you love to do, the things you especially did before you dated him. What was good about that life before him? Just to browse your brain a bit and allow yourself to focus on your own life every now and then.
Abusers make it all about them. That is why when we leave, we feel empty, lost, hopeless, confused. But we can connect back with that oldest part of us, the part that he could never find or destroy.
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Post by butterfly22 on Aug 11, 2014 16:19:42 GMT
Thankyou, this is all very helpful!!
I do need my life back, he lets me do certain things and says he dont stop me going to see mates or my son but he soon throws ot back in my face if i do..
E.g ill go see my son ""oh you shpuldnt be staying away the night it isnt heard of he should come here"" but i wont let my son stay here coz last time he did my son acted up and my partner swore at him
i know i shouldnt of stayed with someone that spoke to my own flesh and blood like that but ive been so afraid of what will happen if i leave if he came after me made my life hell etc
but things are becoming more clear each day now, i know im not far off leaving ive even been referred to a freedom programme to see if that helps give me a kick up the bum!!
these forums are so helpful, im gonna try find them books too
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Post by butterfly22 on Aug 11, 2014 17:44:27 GMT
Wow he even just told me again, no your notgoing away to stay with your son (he lives 40 mins away with his dad, coz i didnt want him living with my selfish situation)
He dont want this kind of life i shouldnt be staying away from home, even though he knew this was gonna be the way fromthe beginning and accepted it at the time!!
yes my son should stay here, if here was safe, i dont know if it is safe!!
i just realise now my son should be first not him!!!
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